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Who are the young players overseas?
FIJI coach Ilivasi Tabua says he will give a chance to all young players overseas to stake a claim for the Fijian jumper?
What do you think of this as we start build up to the next World Cup?
Are there players you know who should be considered who are based overseas and not known to us?
56 comments so far.
- inoke rokobuli of samabula
- HPE DAT FIJI WIL WIN THE NEXT WORLD CUP AND DARE WONT BE MORE CHANGES IN THE LAST WORLD CUP LINEUP.......
- inoke rokobuli of samabula
- HPE DAT FIJI WIL WIN THE NEXT WORLD CUP AND DARE WONT BE MORE CHANGES IN THE LAST WORLD CUP LINEUP.......
- les qaranivalu of syd australia
- which village is Jerry Yanyanutawa's from?
- Jone of sydney
- I recommend Kasiano Raturaga, ex marist. A slendid young player, I think he is playing somewhere in the U.K now.
- Jone of sydney
- I recommend Kasiano Raturaga, ex marist. A slendid young player, I think he is playing somewhere in the U.K now.
- Byron of Brisbane
- Take a look throughout the premier grade playing ranks of Brisbane and Sydney in Australia; The likes of Elia Tuquiri are electric and has been playing beside and against Australia's best! He has great all round skills for a utility back.
- yasi nabua of nabua,suva
- next wcup
1 graham dewes
2 sunia koto
3 jerry yanu2tawa
4 ifereimi rawaqa
5 wame lewaravu
6 jone qovu/ netani talei
7 aka qera
8 tomasi soqeta
9 aporosa vata
10 seremaia bai
11 napolioni nalaga
12 maleli kunavore
13 sireli naqelevuki
14 rupeni caucau (28 by 2011)
15 kameli ratuvou
16 vereniki sauturaga
17 jone railomo
18 tomasi kedrabuka
19 netani talei
20 rauluni ( under 19)
21 wais luveniyali
22 gabby lovobalavu
- Rush of Suva
- What about some of the Fijian guys playing in the British Army and British Navy. They are good and should be considered.
- Kivonu of kivonu
- KASIANO RATURAGA (Coventry Uni/Broadstreet Rugby club,Midlands,UK)
- GabrielLawana
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- secondary skool rugby fan of suva
- Nice to knw that MR.Tabua is takin interest in the young players of today to be recurited inthe 20011 world if u lookin for a good fijian jumper we got some very good ones here inour country who just need your talent 2 further their skills and to be level as those overseas..like Vaione.T(SGS)Esala.savuro(MBHS)Isireli(LMS)Speight(QVS)n tailevu team Iliesa.Kresoni(LMS) just to name the few which was outstandin wacthing them during the secndary school meet this year so to tabua n the FRU wish u luck in the preparation towards the 20011 RWC.
- tee of sydney
- henry speight.....waikato
- JOSEVATA.K. TUKUTUKUWAQA of PAPS,AUCK,NZ.
- Congradulation to Tai Ilivasi Tabua and the mangement team.
i whole heartedly and fully support this long term investment strategies of monitoring all our brothers who currently playing rugby all over the world.
TAKE NOTE:These players are the cream and most talented individuals in there own credential which elevate them to different parts of the world.
i must say about our brothers here in NZ that its a huge numbers of boys who plays in different grades which includes U19,20,21s,Development,Nationals and Supper Rugby.
1.ASIPELI DAWAI 23YRS,1.97M,100kg
AUCK MARIST,LOOSE FORWARD(6,7,8)
AUCK FIJIAN SEVENS,NZ SEVENS 2006
(2 DUBAI SEVENS ONLY DUE TO INJURY)
* VERY MOBILE,SKILFUL HUGE POTENTIAL.
* NEXT PROSPECT TO TIEJENTS AND CO.
2.TEVITA TUILOA,19YRS,1.98M,112KG
LOCK FORWARD,FIJI U-19 WORLD CUP O7
AUCK KINGS COLLEGE U-19,AUCK DEVELOP
U-20 CURRENTLY.
I must say,At the end of the day it all comes down to the dollar sign. If the FRU is really serious about reinforcing this particular long term committment to players locally and abroad,it will surely change the facet of FIJI RUGBY in many years to come.
I STRONGLY support the F.R.U to propose an EFFECTIVE AND PRODUCTIVE approach to the I.R.B for financial assistance.Its visible on stage of world rugby dat fiji is the team which full of potential and ability which the world witness in the WORLD CUP 2007.
GO FIJI,IF THEY CAN DO IT,YOU CAN DO
IT BETTER! ALL DA BEST.GOD BLESS.
JOE.TUKUTUKUWAQA
PAPS,AUCK,NZ.
- JOSEVATA.K. TUKUTUKUWAQA of PAPS,AUCK,NZ.
- Congradulation to Tai Ilivasi Tabua and the mangement team.
i whole heartedly and fully support this long term investment strategies of monitoring all our brothers who currently playing rugby all over the world.
TAKE NOTE:These players are the cream and most talented individuals in there own credential which elevate them to different parts of the world.
i must say about our brothers here in NZ that its a huge numbers of boys who plays in different grades which includes U19,20,21s,Development,Nationals and Supper Rugby.
1.ASIPELI DAWAI 23YRS,1.97M,100kg
AUCK MARIST,LOOSE FORWARD(6,7,8)
AUCK FIJIAN SEVENS,NZ SEVENS 2006
(2 DUBAI SEVENS ONLY DUE TO INJURY)
* VERY MOBILE,SKILFUL HUGE POTENTIAL.
* NEXT PROSPECT TO TIEJENTS AND CO.
2.TEVITA TUILOA,19YRS,1.98M,112KG
LOCK FORWARD,FIJI U-19 WORLD CUP O7
AUCK KINGS COLLEGE U-19,AUCK DEVELOP
U-20 CURRENTLY.
I must say,At the end of the day it all comes down to the dollar sign. If the FRU is really serious about reinforcing this particular long term committment to players locally and abroad,it will surely change the facet of FIJI RUGBY in many years to come.
I STRONGLY support the F.R.U to propose an EFFECTIVE AND PRODUCTIVE approach to the I.R.B for financial assistance.Its visible on stage of world rugby dat fiji is the team which full of potential and ability which the world witness in the WORLD CUP 2007.
GO FIJI,IF THEY CAN DO IT,YOU CAN DO
IT BETTER! ALL DA BEST.GOD BLESS.
- kaiwai of suva
- 2011 squad to world cup
1.Graham Dewes
2.Sunia Koto
3.Jone Railomo
4.Wame Lewaravu
5.Seko(Otago)
6.Apisai Naikatini(Wellington)
7.Akapusi Qera
8.Tomasi Soqeta
9.Vitori Buatava
10.Waisea Luveniyali
11.Napolioni Nalaga
12.Gabby Lovobalavu
13.Kameli Ratuvou
14.Maleli Kunavore
15.Iliesa Keresoni
- A Kurunawaqatoga of Vatuwaqa
- Mr Tabua, FRU and the Flying Fijian has now set the standard,
I firmaly belive that young players that are playing over seas should bring there own self to the door of Fiji rugby and avail them self.
To me if Im a leader I will be looking for people who are making sacrifice,taking initiative, accountable, trustworthy and are predictable in the way they live there life.
Now that will be a person that will be very easy to mould and automatically be o good Team player.
Lets create a new set of mentality of approch towards the Game.
We can waste our effort and money running arond for good people but have very bad attitude.
What Im meanning is this lets see whats real in their hearts if they do really want to see the development of Fiji rugby through their contribution since some of them we already know, are very talented.
Or are just wanting to play hard to get and when we get them they become a head ache again to us.
To FRU be wise in your chossing, to the talented young player be wise too for your choice today affects your tommorow.
With or without you the FRU still remains and alot more young talents a rising.
AK
Burning Stone
SOO-VAH
- Viliame Pareti Tikomailomaloma of Navuevu, Cuvu, Nadroga
- What a great site to be able to share opinion with Ilivasi and all his assistants.
My thoughts for the players to be involved in the next 4 years development to the 2011 RWC if we can.
These are the 2 players:
1)Isa Nacewa
2)Napolioni Nalaga
Reason:
Nacewa is a smart playmaker and has a great sidestep and pocess a great running skills
In addition he is good with goal kicking skills and with his speed top up with handling skills.
For Napolioni:
He is young and currently developing his skills in Club rugby overseas.He is strong and has a good speed to demolish his opponents.
If Tabua can reach out to this boys and show interest on them than a structered development programs must be on hand to monitore their progress.
I am sure they are many more skilled and young players are currently under development overseas at this stage.An idea for the FRU to get in touch with them now would be such a possitive thing to do.
Lets keep at it !
Thanks guys for all the support !
Vinaka!
V.Tikomailomaloma
- Mo of Suva
- No doubt nurturing and keeping young talented ruggers in the loop will surely benefit Fiji Rugby in the future.
It does not mean we are totally in need of a new face team come the 2011 RWC.
Look at the previous World Cup winners or semifinalists? Notice the age of players?
Australia 1999, England 2003, South Africa the core players of these teams were 30+ in age!!
So experince does play a key role in any team as far as the World Cup is concerned.
- manumanu of labasa of Fiji
- Sorry for out of topic but interesting
loyal blind fans of the idiot Voreqe and his criminal losers in the IG. The rest of the blind led military would like to see this, something that they overlooked when it originally
came out in Nov,2006.Time is very good in reminding us of what the IG losers
really are, liars ,liars and con men who still have crap to answer for.
Read on you stupid IG followers and swallow the bitter pills that no one was corrupt except the bloody fools who fooled bloody blind fools like you, ha!ha!ha!
Quote:
ARMY commander, Commodore Voreqe Bainimarama was not entitled to any Cost of Living Adjustment payment, the 2005 Auditor-General's report (Oct, 2006) shows.
The commander received $2554.74 in COLA payment, viewed as a salary overpayment, because he was on a fixed salary scale and not entitled to any COLA pay out.
The report released yesterday said Commodore Bainimarama was not entitled to the pay out as stipulated in the Public Service Commission circular 51 of 2005.
It said there were a high number of incorrect payments of salaries in the 3 per cent COLA payout in 2004 to officers and lower rank soldiers in the military.
"Cabinet, at its meeting on December 6, 2005, agreed to a 3 per cent COLA payout to civil servants and government wage employees and that this payment, together with the 2 per cent one-off made in December, 2004. The COLA payment for 2004 only would be made to all eligible civil servants on Pay 26 of 2005, which will be payable on December 22," the report said.
"The salary payments for Pay 26 of 2005 with regards to the 3 per cent COLA revealed that most of the officers of the RFMF were overpaid. The officers were paid 732 days (2 years) instead of the approved 366 days (1 year) back pay," it stated.
It said most of the senior officers were overpaid by more than $400 and this included officers of the ranks of Lieutenant, Captain and Lt.Colonels.
The military commented that a restrictive of the pay office staff had been implemented and efforts would be made to make sure incorrect payments were erased completely.
The auditor's office recommended the military should review the incorrect payments and recover the overpayments from all the officers concerned.
It said supervisory control should be improved to ensure all salary payments were correct in all aspects.
Moreover, concerns were raised on the outstanding quarters deductions since some of the officers occupying government quarters were not paying any rent.
The officers who had outstanding arrears include Lt-Colonel Mosese Tikoitoga with $8,384.84, Major Sanaila Seru with $3306.39, Major Wakanivugahali Naivalu with $1053.84, Captain Anirudh Singh with $3153.72 and Colonel Esala Teleni with $23,922.92.
According to the Government rentals policy for officers, they are required to pay rent at the rate of 8 per cent of basic salary, with maximum limits of rent every year for different grades that include $1600 for special grade, $1400 for Grades I and II, $1200 for grade three, $1000 for grade 4, $720 for grade 5 and $480 for grade 6 and below.
According to the report, the military had not provided in writing the actions it would take on these officers and some of these officers were unwilling to pay these rents through salary deductions.
It recommended that action should be taken to recover rent and arrears from these officers and the military should ensure that General Orders 607 was compiled with.
The audit noted the military used its Telesat Project fund of $500,000 to buy goods and services that were not related to the project and it included:
The payment of rugby gear and travel expenses for the RFMF rugby team; and,
$150,000 worth of expenses for the Truth and Justice Campaign of which details of only $55,467 were provided, including details of airfares to Taveuni for a former Commander and wife on three occasions and one to Australia including domestic travel and accommodation. This suggests that the campaign was practically the spearhead for the failed election campaign of the National Alliance Party,
Other travel details provided without receipts included at least $75,000 worth of airfares, hotel accommodation and meals for the Commander and his wife on a personal visit to NZ to visit family members. This amount also included trips to Iraq via up to three weeks of stopovers in New York, London, Paris, Tel Aviv and Honolulu.
Further personal advances totally $62,000 were made to five officers, Col Ione Naivalurua with $5,000, Col Esala Teleni, $10,000, Col Pita Driti,$6000, Col Ului Mara, $10,000, Lt Colonal Mosese Tikoitoga,$3000, Capt Francis Kean,$15,000, Capt Mason Smith $2000, Major Leweni, $2500, Maj Pio Tikoduadua, $4000.The balance of $4500 were advances to two naval warrant officers and three army sergeant, recorded only as “Internal operatives” No.1,2,3 and 4 to the sum of $900 each.
Close to $290,000 has been drawn but remains unaccounted and unrecorded.
On proper accounting procedures, per diem allowances and advances that were inappropriately approved by the commander instead of the chief accountant as required under Finance Instructions 207 for details of payments.
Talk about corruption or what?????
- bunnz of nz
- josua raluni,rupeni seduadua this 2 boys came through fiji age group but have been playing their rugby in nz.both went to rotorua boys high and a keen to represent their country.seduadua waikato and raluni of bay of plenty....
- francis kapelei of utah, usa
- nathan dutta, plays for brigham young university, second five eight
- jeff hardy of hamilton, nz
- Rororua High School loose forward Aporosa Rageci..watchout for this kid
- jeff hardy of hamilton, nz
- Rororua High School loose forward Aporosa Rageci..watchout for this kid
- JP of Nasinu
- There a some young fijians players who have represented fiji in the age group teams who are overseas.
1. Asaeli Tiko- Wanganui Ex Fiji u18 & 21 Position: centres Age: 22
2. Rokodaini- Wanganui Exfiji U21 Position: Fullback/First Age: 21
3. Samuela Vunisa: Wanganui. Fiji U19. Position Looseman. Age :19
4. Lasa Ulukuta: West Coast. Fiji U18, NZ 7s B team. Position: Lock/Looseman. Age: 22
5. Jerry Yanuyanutawa: Tighthead prop. Sydney Uni.
Please take note HPU&Fiji Management.
- geoff of Savusavu
- Albert Vulivuli who is playing for Waikato Development team.
- rugbylover of nadro
- the FRU must retain A.Qera,J.Daunivucu,J.Qovu,N.Talei,M.Kunavore,I.Neivua
- No4 of Kaunikuila, Suva
- Lets have a blend of new talents and experience in 2011. These players must be retained:
Akapusi Qera, Vereniki Sauturaga, Wame Lewaravu, J Qovu, S bai, K Ratuvou, M Kunavore..
New blokes like Waqabaca Kotobalavu o QVS, Former Grammar U19 Fullback, Jim Vosarogoci and his winger, Saimoni Tuisiga, the No 22 Winger for nadi in last week's challange, Emosi Vucago, Jiuta Lutumailagi. A tighthead prop in Australia, former Grammar and Fiji U 19 Flanker, Jerry Yanuyanutawa...Curent Wellignton No 6. Api Naikatini..and
Current Tailevu players, Nemia Kenatale, I Keresoni, Vilitati Togalevu, Kali Cavuilati and Sisa Waqa.
The U18 First five for QVS this year is also a talented player...good kicker..
- rico of suva
- Iliesa Keresoni
- The Grasshopper of Suva
- Andrew Durutalo
- Fiji fan kaukauwa of Labasa
- I believe fru should scout and invest now around the country. Young raw talents which capturing hearts of rugby followers at club level needs nuturing.
- Joe Leko of Rotorua,NZ
- I've been thinking about that idea for a while,for fijians living overseas to scout for young fijian players to come back home and play for Fiji.We should have a scout in every town in NZ looking for these young talents.Why I say this because I've seen a lot of talented young fijian boys come to Rotorua Boys High School to have their
education and play rugby.I reckon the
Fiji Rugby Union should stay in touch with these boys and recruit them back in the High Performance Unit back home.
- ben of Nadro
- Good on Tabua. He is already looking to 2011. Might be 4 years away but time flies fast. So all the best Naita and good luck in your 2011 countdown.
- vesuki
- armchair pundit, stop copying essays from other websites and passing them off as your own.
This was stolen from Planet Rugby: http://worldcup.planet-rugby.com/Story/0,21043,13089_2796251,00.html
You have no integrity!
- bill of no man's land
- i don't understand y arm chair pundit is analysing the games...where are the names of the fiji boys in aus n nz?? or uk, france, italy or any other country for that matter??
by the way, u can catch all the analysis and stats at www.planet-rugby.com.
another example of a fijian player who would have added international experience to the fiji team: manoa vosawai...another case of sivivatu-esque nature. i know we have a host of talented loose men but not all of them have played overseas. hats off to qera n semisi.
- bill of no man's land
- i don't understand y arm chair pundit is analysing the games...where are the names of the fiji boys in aus n nz?? or uk, france, italy or any other country for that matter??
by the way, u can catch all the analysis and stats at www.planet-rugby.com.
another example of a fijian player who would have added international experience to the fiji team: manoa vosawai...another case of sivivatu-esque nature. i know we have a host of talented loose men but not all of them have played overseas. hats off to qera n semisi.
- bill of no man's land
- i don't understand y arm chair pundit is analysing the games...where are the names of the fiji boys in aus n nz?? or uk, france, italy or any other country for that matter??
by the way, u can catch all the analysis and stats at www.planet-rugby.com.
another example of a fijian player who would have added international experience to the fiji team: manoa vosawai...another case of sivivatu-esque nature. i know we have a host of talented loose men but not all of them have played overseas. hats off to qera n semisi.
- vuremai 2t's of vatunibale
- There are a few young players both local and overseas that can continue from where our senior players have left off with another 4 years left for the worldcup.
1)Those fijian boys from Hamilton High.
2)Waqaseduadua.
And two local based from the northern division namely:
JEREMAIA KALOKALO MATAIKA.
KINI RASIGATALE.
DOU KALOUGATA TIKO KA ME BALAVU NA NOMUDOU GAUNA NI QITO!
- Armchair Pundit of UK
- . Things to watch
Just one little thing from the statistics. One realises how many things require a referee's attention during the 80 minutes of a match.
If you went to the France-New Zealand match and added up all the things referees have to watch, the figure is surprising. Add up kick-offs and drop-outs, passes, kicks, scrums, tackle/ruck/mauls, line-outs, turning over possession, as at knock-ons leading to advantage, and scores (tries, conversions, penalties and attempted drop goals), and you have a great number. It adds up to 634.
2. Scrums
The first scrum in the match between England and Australia was a scrum to Australia. From the time the referee blew the whistle for the scrum for accidental off-side until he eventually put a merciful end to it with a penalty it lasted 3 minutes 32 seconds. This included a stoppage for injury to Nathan Sharpe. Then after a collapse there was another stoppage while Phil Vickery was attended to. In all that scrum was reset three times, collapsed four times an ended in a penalty.
The scrums in the four matches (own ball) went like this:
Australia: 10 scrums - 10 reset, 13 collapses, 2 penalties, 1 free kick
England: 4 scrums - 1 collapse, 1 penalty
France: 10 scrums - 2 reset, 2 collapses, 1 free kick, 1 penalty, 1 wheel
New Zealand: 5 scrums - 3 reset, 4 collapses
South Africa: 14 scrums - 1 reset
Fiji: 10 scrums - 1 reset, 1 collapse, 1 lost
Argentina: 8 scrums - 1 reset, 1 collapse, 1 free kick, 1 lost
Scotland: 8 scrums - 4 reset, 3 collapses, 1 free kick, 1 wheel
Other teams put the ball into 59 scrums, almost six times as many as Australia did. They had, in total, fewer resets and fewer collapses. It must be cause for concern.
Imagine a match where each scrum took 3 and a half minutes. In the England-Australia match that would have meant 49 minutes spent scrummaging!
3. Long drop
There are two incidents:
a. Berrick Barnes drops out for Australia, a long kick which rolls and rolls till it stops in the England in-goal.
Andy Gomarsall picks the ball up, strolls a while to lure the Australians to him and then dots the ball down.
(There is a clip with Gomarsall's action on www.sareferees.co.za)
b. In the Currie Cup match between the Cheetahs and the Blue Bulls in Pretoria on the same day, Willem de Waal of the Cheetahs dropped out. It went far and rolled till it stopped in the Blue Bulls in-goal where Derick Hougaard grounded the ball.
In the England case the referee awarded a drop-out to England. In the Blue Bulls case the referee awarded a scrum to the Blue Bulls on the Cheetahs 22.
That's a huge difference.
Why the difference?
Law 13.15 BALL GOES INTO THE IN-GOAL FROM A DROP-OUT
(a) If the ball is kicked into the opponents' in-goal without having touched or been touched by a player, the opposing team has three choices:
To ground the ball, or
To make it dead, or
To play on.
(b) If the opposing team grounds the ball, or makes it dead, or if the ball goes dead by going into touch-in-goal, or on or over the dead-ball line, they have two choices:
To have a scrum formed at the centre of the 22m-line from where the kick was taken and they throw in the ball, or
To have the other team drop out again.
(c) If they opt to ground the ball or make it dead, they must do so without delay. Any other action with the ball by a defending player means the player has elected to play on.
The difference is in (c). Gomarsall did not act without delay but chose to go on a stroll - and deprived his team of a great advantage.
4. Tough one
England are on the attack. Scrum-half Andy Gomarsall kicks a high diagonal kick towards the Australian goal-line. The Australians have a difficulty watching the ball come down with the Marseille sun behind it and the ball bounces high. Rocky Elsom knocks it on and England have the ball to put in to a scrum five metres from the Australian line.
England heel and get a shove on. The ball is at the feet of Nick Easter who releases his bind, holding on to his locks by fist only as he struggles to control the ball.
Elsom leaves the scrum and dives for the ball at Easter's feet. The referee penalises Elsom, rubbing his hand along his arm to signal that Elsom had not been bound.
Wilkinson goals and makes the score 12-10.
OK?
It's not an easy one.
First there is the matter of timing. At what stage did Elsom release his binding? Had Easter released his binding before Elsom did? It would certainly appear so.
But was the scrum over because Elsom released his binding? The wording of the law is not crystal clear.
Law 20.10 ENDING THE SCRUM
(a) The ball comes out. When the ball comes out of the scrum in any direction except the tunnel, the scrum ends.
(b) Scrum in an in-goal. A scrum cannot take place in an In-goal. When the ball in a scrum is on or over the goal-line, the scrum ends and an attacker or a defender may legally ground the ball for a try or a touch-down.
(c) Hindmost player unbinds. The hindmost player in a scrum is the player whose feet are nearest the team's own goal-line. If the hindmost player unbinds from the scrum with the ball at that player's feet and picks up the ball, the scrum ends.
Easter was unbound but he did not pick up the ball. Does that mean the scrum is not over?
If he is not bound, he is no longer a part of the scrum. If he is not in the scrum how on earth can the ball then still be in the scrum?
If he is not binding he has left the scrum. Is he then not liable to penalty if he does not pick up the ball?
Law 20 DEFINITION: A scrum is formed in the field-of-play when eight players from each team, bound together in three rows for each team.
Binding is also defined.
Law 20.3 BINDING IN THE SCRUM DEFINITION
When a player binds on a team-mate that player must use the whole arm from hand to shoulder to grasp the team-mate's body at or below the level of the armpit. Placing only a hand on another player is not satisfactory binding.
Law 20.3 (f) Binding by all other players. All players in a scrum, other than front-row players, must bind on a lock's body with at least one arm. The locks must bind with the props in front of them. No player other than a prop may hold an opponent.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
Easter is unbound. If the ball is at his feet he is allowed to unbind and pick the ball up. He does not pick the ball up and Elsom arrives to play the ball.
Who has offended?
It is not an easy question to answer but it's hard to see that Elsom was in the wrong.
You can't really eat your cake and have it. Either the scrum is over or Easter has left a scrum which is not over.
The wording of the law may need closer attention.
5. Off-side but why?
Jerry Collins has the ball going left and Thierry Dusautoir tackles him. Collins goes beyond Dusautoir, leaving the Frenchman lying on the ground. A ruck forms where Collins is and Dusautoir picks himself up to return to his off-side line.
Anton Oliver of New Zealand picks up the ball and goes on a pick-'n-drive but in about the middle of the tackle/ruck Dusautoir tackles him.
The referee penalises Dusautoir. But he was the tackler but by the time he tackled Oliver a ruck had formed. He was a loiterer/lazy runner and offside because of the ruck..
He was offside - not at a tackle, which does not produce an offside line, but at a ruck.
6. Mind your head, guv'nor
After their quarter-final match with Fiji, the South Africans complained about high tackles of the kind the law says are dangerous.
Law 10.4 (e) Dangerous tackling. A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously.
A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent's neck or head is dangerous play.
There was two penalties in the match for dangerous tackles in this regard. One earned Seru Rabeni a yellow card for a tackle on Butch James that was high and armless at a time when James did not have the ball at all. The other was against Juan Smith for a high tackle on Ifereimi Rawaqa, the Fijian lock.
But there were many more. One ended in a citing and a week's suspension for Seremaia Bai, the Fijian fly-half who charged across with his right arm swinging around Danie Rossouw's neck. This action happened near the Fijian cornerpost. Just behind Rossouw, Schalk Burger was hauled down by Vilimoni Delasau of Fijian with an arm around his neck.
The players were pretty well in the open with the touch judge close by - close enough to have seen the action.
The first high tackle happened within five metres. It was not a reflex tackle or a case where a player ducks. In this case Fijian flank Semisi Naevo actually jumped to clamp an arm right around the neck of Bryan Habana. This happened about six metres in from touch.
There were others.
Tackling a player in the air is dangerous.
Law 10.4 (e) A player must not tackle an opponent whose feet are off the ground.
Exception: A player is permitted to attempt to tackle a player who is in possession of the ball and is in the act of diving in an attempt to score a try.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
Bakkies Botha was penalised for an air tackle in the line-out. Botha pulls down lock Ifereimi Rawaqa while he is in the air and Botha on the ground. Botha was the victim of an air-tackle himself but with a difference. In his case the Fijians drove in under him while he was in the air, which was also dangerous.
Indicating foul play is within the touch judge's scope of activities.
7. "Tough, tough penalty"
Strong Akapusi Qera charges ahead with the ball but is brought to ground by François Steyn of South Africa who hangs onto him. Butch James is there as Qera comes to ground. Fijian lock Kele Leawere charges in from the side ahead of Qera and into James.
The referee penalises Leawere.
Commentator:/ "Tough penalty - tough, tough penalty. You feel now the referee has got that one wrong, Alan Lewis. You feel the advantage has got to go with the attacking side."
It's hard to follow the logic of that. The attacking side still has to play by the laws. It does not have the licence to cheat in the scrums, pass forward or dive in at the side.
Leawere would be regarded as "other players" at the tackle and other players are required to come through the gate.
Law 15.6 OTHER PLAYERS
(a) After a tackle, all other players must be on their feet when they play the ball. Players are on their feet if no other part of their body is supported by the ground or players on the ground.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
(b) After a tackle players on their feet may attempt to gain possession by taking the ball from the ball carrier's possession.
(c) At a tackle or near to a tackle, other players who play the ball must do so from behind the ball and from behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players' goal-line.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
The law governing the ruck is also relevant.
Law 16.2 JOINING A RUCK
(b) A player joining a ruck must bind onto the ruck with at least one arm around the body of a team-mate, using the whole arm.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
Rugby is about attack and defence. Win one and you are likely to win the match. The French showed how defence can be a winning activity. At a tackle, the tackler has had a little victory. He deserves a reward. The reward is a fair opportunity to compete for the ball. The ball-carrier, beaten by the tackle, does not have the right to suspend the laws because he was the ball-carrier but he is rewarded for his enterprise by being able to manipulate the ball as favourably as he can for his side.
8. Scrum for 20-20
South Africa were playing Fiji and Fiji knocked on in making a tackle. Victor Matfield of South Africa picked up the ball and Vilimoni Delasau - for the second time in the match - was guilty of a high tackle. Play went on and Bakkies Botha of South Africa grabbed Sireli Bobo who did not have the ball. Bobo fell to the ground. The score at the time was 20-20 and play was in Fijian territory.
The referee consulted his touch judges. One reported Delasau's high tackle and the other reported that Botha had body-checked Bobo.
The referee said: "I'll tell you what we'll do at 20-all. I'm going to scrum it."
He explained this to the captains, Botha and Delasau, saying: "We've got to keep ourselves disciplined."
Commentator:/ "Surely you've got to make a decision - what is right and what is wrong."
It is understandable that the referee would not want a match decided by a penalty and yet if that is what needs to be done, that is what he must do. In fact from the ensuing scrum the South Africans mauled and Ifereimi Rawaqa was penalised for going in the side. Percy Montgomery goaled the penalty.
The commentator has a point. But how would you go? The high tackle superceded the knock-on - penalty against Fiji. Then Botha was guilty of playing a man without the ball, described as a body check - penalty.
The three infringements happened while play was live. They were separate incidents. There was no question of retaliation or foul play after the whistle. The referee had not seen either incident of foul play and neither touch judge had seen the foul play which the other had reported. There was thus no way of equating the relative seriousness of the foul play.
Maybe the scrum was a Solomon-esque decision. But mentioning the score may well have been inappropriate.
There were 20 minutes to go in the match.
In fact it may have been better had foul play been more obviously punished. In order to evaluate the nature of the foul play, the referee would have had to have taken more time and asked more questions. Then he could have penalised the more serious offence.
At worst he could have given a defensive penalty.
The scrum was perhaps an indecisive way of restarting the match and may well have disaffected the touch judges who had gone to the trouble of pointing out foul play.
9. Anything goes?
Fiji are under enormous pressure on their own line as fullback Norman Ligairi tries to move the ball beyond his goal-line. The South Africans bash into them shunting them further back.
It may have been a ruck? Then the ball is up. Perhaps it was a maul. Perhaps it was a tackle.
It doesn't matter if it was a ruck, a maul or a tackle because when it got over the goal-line, there was no more ruck, maul or tackle. There was nothing to stop the South Africans from going round to play the ball with their hands.
Commentator:/ "Remember anything goes in in-goal."
It was not quite a situation of anything goes. They were still not allowed to dive on players or commit any other acts of foul play or knock-on or pass forward.
Law 16.6 A ruck ends successfully when the ball leaves the ruck or when the ball is on or over the goal-line.
Law 17.5 A maul ends successfully when the ball is on the ground or when is on or over the goal-line.
Law 15.1 A tackle can take place only in the field of play.
There is also a clip of this incident on www.sareferees.co.za
- Chekov of Australia
- Secondary school is the best place to get future fiji reprentatives including NZ and Aust. schools
- Net of sydney
- Guys like Jerry Yanuyanutawa of Sydney Uni and Luke Tabutoa of Parramatta are definetely worth a look....both within the under 22 age bracket with big Rugby futures!!
- Kaminieli Namua of Lautoka
- I support the development of Secondary Schools Rugby. Develop from U18 to U21 that is from schools and school dropouts in those grades.Get Provincial Rugby Unions form their U18,U19,U21 and Senior Teams for Sanyo Competition.A data base for all players must be set up and players monitored of their performances.
- Brissyboys of WA
- Getting players who were born overseas is nothing new, look at Greg Smith,Nicky Little,Nacewa.Keep it going Ili let these Rugby unions nuture them and we take them.They been doing that to us,look at Rokocoko,Sivivatu,Tuqiri,L.Johanson etc,etc.
A couple of good young Qld players running around here in Perth.Look out for giant "Jona Lomu" clone,Nems Siganiyavi, on the wing for the Western Force,center Nems Momo also of Western Force,
- Brissyboys of WA
- Getting players who were born overseas is nothing new, look at Greg Smith,Nicky Little,Nacewa.Keep it going Ili let these Rugby unions nuture them and we take them.They been doing that to us,look at Rokocoko,Sivivatu,Tuqiri,L.Johanson etc,etc.
A couple of good young Qld players running around here in Perth.Look out for giant "Jona Lomu" clone,Nems Siganiyavi, on the wing for the Western Force,center Nems Momo also of Western Force,
- Brissyboys of WA
- Getting players who were born overseas is nothing new, look at Greg Smith,Nicky Little,Nacewa.Keep it going Ili let these Rugby unions nuture them and we take them.They been doing that to us,look at Rokocoko,Sivivatu,Tuqiri,L.Johanson etc,etc.
A couple of good young Qld players running around here in Perth.Look out for giant "Jona Lomu" clone,Nems Siganiyavi, on the wing for the Western Force,center Nems Momo also of Western Force,
- jone vanani of Nadi.
- The FRU should doubled up thier concentration in building infrastructures like the academies and also push the rugby programs to primary and secondary schools.
The rugby system and the rugby basic skills and principles must be established very early in life.
So the target should be primary and secondary level schools.
By doing this we can counter and solve the problem of poor skills showing in the national levels.
Body positioning, handling, passing should be learned early.
The FRU should lessen un-orthodoxy known of Fijian and apply proper rugby skills as prevalent and uphold by our overseas counter parts.
Lets continue from where we left of; concentrate a bit on what we can do best locally.
The overseas based Fijians are right into systematic trainings etc. We should not worry a lot of overseas base because already they are being trained and councelled effectively by well established system.
But we programed them from time to time to join our national team between now and 2011.
GET THAT RUGBY BALL ROLLING RIGHT AWAY AND CONTINUE WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
- RugbyWin of Nausori
- Concentrate on past U19 and U21 players and some other players of the likes of Inia Lesuma, Nawalu Junior, Andrew Durutalo (featured for the Fiji U-18 at the world meet), Lote Tuqiri (namesake of Wallaby)as mentioned by "Die-hard Fiji fan of Suva". Other players are Jerry Yanuyanutawa who played for the
- RugbyWin of Nausori
- Concentrate on past U19 and U21 players and some other players of the likes of Inia Lesuma, Nawalu Junior, Andrew Durutalo (featured for the Fiji U-18 at the world meet), Lote Tuqiri (namesake of Wallaby)as mentioned by "Die-hard Fiji fan of Suva". Other players are Jerry Yanuyanutawa who played for the
- RugbyWin of Nausori
- Concentrate on past U19 and U21 players and some other players of the likes of Inia Lesuma, Nawalu Junior, Andrew Durutalo (featured for the Fiji U-18 at the world meet), Lote Tuqiri (namesake of Wallaby)as mentioned by "Die-hard Fiji fan of Suva". Other players are Jerry Yanuyanutawa who played for the
- RugbyWin of Nausori
- Concentrate on past U19 and U21 players and some other players of the likes of Inia Lesuma, Nawalu Junior, Andrew Durutalo (featured for the Fiji U-18 at the world meet), Lote Tuqiri (namesake of Wallaby)as mentioned by "Die-hard Fiji fan of Suva". Other players are Jerry Yanuyanutawa who played for the
- RugbyWin of Nausori
- Concentrate on past U19 and U21 players and some other players of the likes of Inia Lesuma, Nawalu Junior, Andrew Durutalo (featured for the Fiji U-18 at the world meet), Lote Tuqiri (namesake of Wallaby)as mentioned by "Die-hard Fiji fan of Suva". Other players are Jerry Yanuyanutawa who played for the
- RugbyWin of Nausori
- Concentrate on past U19 and U21 players and some other players of the likes of Inia Lesuma, Nawalu Junior, Andrew Durutalo (featured for the Fiji U-18 at the world meet), Lote Tuqiri (namesake of Wallaby)as mentioned by "Die-hard Fiji fan of Suva". Other players are Jerry Yanuyanutawa who played for the
- RugbyWin of Nausori
- Concentrate on past U19 and U21 players and some other players of the likes of Inia Lesuma, Nawalu Junior, Andrew Durutalo (featured for the Fiji U-18 at the world meet), Lote Tuqiri (namesake of Wallaby)as mentioned by "Die-hard Fiji fan of Suva". Other players are Jerry Yanuyanutawa who played for the
- RugbyWin of Nausori
- Concentrate on past U19 and U21 players and some other players of the likes of Inia Lesuma, Nawalu Junior, Andrew Durutalo (featured for the Fiji U-18 at the world meet), Lote Tuqiri (namesake of Wallaby)as mentioned by "Die-hard Fiji fan of Suva". Other players are Jerry Yanuyanutawa who played for the
- Die-hard Fiji fan of Suva
- Yes, there are a lot of young Fiji based players overseas, a good proportion of whom are on rugby scholarships. In Japan for instance there are a couple of upcoming ones studying at Hakuoh University through the initiative of Mr. Paulo Nawalu. Names such are Inia Lesuma, Nawalu Junior, Andrew Durutalo (featured for the Fiji U-18 at the world meet), Lote Tuqiri (namesake of Wallaby) to name a few. They are what I consider 'young' - 19-21 years bracket.
- Silly Vatu of Fiji
- Have been out of the loop for a while but here are a few names that should be considered in the mix for new seasoon.
1. Deacon Manu (Prop)
2. Sireli Naiqelevuki (Centre/Wing)
* There is also a Fijian/Tongan tighhead played who played for the Brumbies and Australia A. He is 135kg, good scrummager and very mobile.
I beleive the current crop of players should be retained as they have massive potential and given more time to develop as a team will be a team to reckon with in the future. If we can only develop a front row like Agentina we would be unstoppable at the next RWC.
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